ARK Wiki:Admin noticeboard/Archive 1

Naming Conventions

I'm seeing a lot of back and forth on the pages. Should we use the Dino Dossier common name or the scientific for page names? Example: Dilophosaurus vs Dilophosaur or Tyrannosaurus vs Rex or T. rex --Doctor Arson (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I'd go with the Dino Dossier names since those seem to be the most official in game. I'd say once we have one, redirect the other naming conventions to it and it's pretty simple there out. Anyone searching for it will automatically go to the correct page, rather than deleting and someone recreating the page all over again. --Z3ther (talk) 15:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Date Format

I have a question regarding the date format to use - Devs on Steam are using DMY so I would have gone with that, but some people are changing them to MDY - which can be confusing, as 90% of the world are using DMY (sorry America, you are nearly the only one to use MDY) Alternatively I would suggest YMD as it's the international standard for dates or write out the month to reduce confusion. This is an international game, so in my opinion it would be best to use a more international version. Amkorra (talk) 08:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

In this regard we'd keep the same standards as the devs, so DMY. You can always put D M (spelled out) and Y to make things less confusing, as the four tildes shows up the same. --Z3ther (talk) 01:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

YouTube Spammers

There are a few users modifying pages only to post their YouTube videos, this is a blatant attempt to get free views. Should these users be banned? The videos are always on unnecessary crafting guides that add nothing to the wiki. --Doctor Arson (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you link to one so we can see. --SharpShot gif (talk) 20:54, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

This is becoming a pretty big problem as of late. If you see it, please revert any youtube additions from any anonymous editors. Only those people who are really adding to the community and the wiki have any sort of permission, unless they work for gamepedia. --Z3ther (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Didn't realise this was a taboo practice. There's a few in my edits, which should suffice as a list if you want to revert them. Not my youtube account so no skin off my nose; I just thought they were helpful. I'll remove them if that is what's wished. That being said, if people are watching them does that truly make the "unnecessary"? T1G0FF (talk) 22:58, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why someone linking a YouTube video for crafting dyes (for example) on the wiki page for "Dyes" would be considered "unnecessary", "spam", or just "a blatant attempt to get free views"? Perhaps the person producing the video realizes that a lot of people learn visually and feel that making a textual guide won't be as effective as making a visual one? A crafting guide in a game such as this is absolutely relevant, and adds plenty to the wiki, I feel. To suggest banning someone for choosing a specific medium (video) on a specific topic (crafting) as their contribution to a wiki seems a bit biased and heavy-handed. Perhaps I'm reading into the original complaint too much, but (as someone already suggested) sharing a link to an example of "unnecessary crafting guides" would probably enlighten me to some extent; otherwise it just sounds like there's someone on a witch-hunt against wiki contributors with YouTube accounts. --Asphyxiate (talk) 07:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

94.72.197.113 is who I was specifically talking about. Look at the Recipes page, there are two different videos for recipes even though they are made in essentially the same way. The crafting in this game is ridiculously simple (light the fire or click craft) and there is no reason to add video guides to every single item, dyes included. You're being very hostile about an issue that admin Z3ther already resolved. --Doctor Arson (talk) 08:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

There's a difference between driveby youtubing anonymously and being part of the community wanting to help everyone out and you can really pretty quickly if you watch the video. Most often people that add the spam videos are doing it from an account that has no other contributions except adding videos to get views. T1G0FF you're someone that's been adding stuff outside of the videos, so typically if the community finds it acceptable content then those videos are ok, imo. I'm also a huge visual learner so I understand that seeing something is quite a bit more helpful. You just have to understand that with close to a million pageviews a day, this wiki is going to get people wanting to get views on their videos and will spam them anonymously regardless. --Z3ther (talk) 11:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Just so myself and everyone are on the same page: it's not so much the videos, it's the way in which they are added; anonymously, by people with nothing else to contribute and occasionally no regard for the layout of the page. The issue makes perfect sense now, apologies for "kicking the hornet's nest." T1G0FF (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

There are now even two videos at Lazarus Chowder - Top one is the newer one added by the mentioned IP. While the second one might not have the best quality, it still does have all needed information, without any kind of advertisement, while the upper one freely advertises his server at the end. That's a big difference for me. If it was up to me, I would say Videos are fine if they present the information, but don't advertise/ask for likes. Or at least keep it to a minimum --Amkorra (talk) 09:06, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification on this, as I can clearly tell (now) that the aforementioned IP only seems to post videos which inevitably advertise his server, and he seems to edit the positioning on the page so that his video is the first to appear on each page; whether or not another user's video was posted first. Now I can understand why this type of behavior from this person needs some type of disciplinary action, as it completely lacks any type of etiquette or any type of respect. This is really unfair to the users that really are trying to add something to the Community, and it taints their contributions as well. --Asphyxiate (talk) 04:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Template:Outdent The "the aforementioned IP" that "only seems to post videos which inevitably advertise his server" would be mine(mrcookiejunkie). I would like to say that this is all very stupid and if you want to take any "disciplinary action" out on my account then go ahead. Now if however you would like to sort this out properly then read on. Firstly with regards video placement, I'll happily admit that I posted mine above someone elses, and yeah bad move but if you go check I've moved them all now and I agree this is a fair and valid point. This however is the only item on your complaints list against me that I agree with and have resolved. To start with I spend time creating videos to help people, not everyone including myself is happy to sit there and stare at loads of text much like Asphyxiate so rightly said. I wanted to contribute to the community in the only way I knew how, by making a way in which people could easily see what it was they had to do in game. Now if you go look at the views and likes I'm sure you wouldn't be naive enough to think that people didn't respond well to this. Oh and before you ask I aren't signed into my account on my laptop hence why its just the IP

Secondly "aforementioned IP only seems to post videos which inevitably advertise his server" is wrong seen as I started doing these videos before I made a server, additionally I do say to people they can come down and ask for help should they need to talk with someone and that's it. I was unaware that the community was so against people having servers. Also I would like to ask what the difference between adding images and videos are? I mean come on if you dont like using videos then fair enough no one is forcing you too watch them, but if it helps some people why not just leave it there?

I am glad that the issue I have resolved was brought up as that's my bad completely. However I am annoyed that I put a load of time into creating more content for this wiki just to be had a go at on a forum page. Why can people only contribute via writing? If thats all you can do you may as well remove all the images on the wiki. If a picture is worth 1000 words whats a video worth? I will happily admit my mistakes but not sit here and get attacked by some people for simply trying to help Mrcookiejunkie (talk) 02:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

mrcookiejunkie, just a head's up. I do not represent the wiki nor the administration behind it. I am an A.R.K. player that felt that the original posting seemed unfair to people creating video content for the wiki and felt like I should comment on it. After stating my piece, I realized what the OP was actually saying when I read his/her response. "Yes", your IP was mentioned, and "Yes" I noticed your edits after looking into it more thoroughly, and "Yes" I completely agreed with the fact that you were being disrespectful to other users which are trying to provide video content as well. Your edits were blatantly done to garner more subs to your YouTube channel and your Server. I am glad that you are mature enough to realize (and admit) that what you had done lacked couth, and that you've made attempts to redeem yourself. I do realize that making videos takes time and takes effort, and I believe that anyone contributing to this wiki (or any wiki) should be appreciated to an extent; just not at the expense of other contributors. --Asphyxiate (talk) 07:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Asphyxiate, whilst I will admit to my wrongs if you think I post just to gain subscribers then you severely mislead-ed . I do not appreciate being talked down to like a child. Additionally if your not an administrator why the heck are you getting involved in all this, don't get me wrong I'm glad that this issue was brought up and hopefully resolved however you act as though your sat in an ivory tower, so instead of wasting time listing off the stuff that I'm apparently doing wrong and acting like the chief of this community why not be constructive toward people instead of just badgering on at them the same old stuff. I am actually annoyed that I tried to make things right only to be insulted further by you. I know exactly what was said and do not need it explaining by you, for god sake I can read the post above your name. -_- Mrcookiejunkie (talk) 13:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

YouTube Spam Crua9 (talk • contribs • logs • block log)

I have just attempted to remove YouTube spam by Crua9, but he is reverting (some of) my edits. He is asking for donations and advertising in his videos and has not contributed anything of value to the wiki, which is why I removed the videos in the first place. (They are also placed on the pages with total disregard for the existing layout.) -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Looks like @SharpShot gif beat me to a block. Def the thing that should be removed, thanks. --Z3ther (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is a place to defend your stuff. Anyways, IllegalOpcode marked several of my videos as spam when I was clearly showing how stuff works, what it looks like, and how to make or get something. For example, the crappy wiki page for the lamp post saying it doesn't look like the picture doesn't mean nothing. I show how the thing looks, and I even show some light tricks what you can teach someone with text.

I have a video on oil and pearls, and it shows exactly what it looks like, how to get it, and how to turn it into gas. I've gotten 237 of e-mails thanking me for making that because the wiki is crap when it comes to telling people how to get it. Sure you can write it, but it's better to show how to get something.

To me it sounds like you don't want anyone to use anything other than the hardest method to teach someone something. Way to go old school -- Crua9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crua9 (talk • contribs) at 08:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Hey @Crua9, I've reverted your edits because of the way we've currently decided to include videos and video links. You're welcome to let your voice be heard here, but please keep things civil in your discussions. --Z3ther (talk) 08:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I just gave my 2 cents there. -- Crua9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crua9 (talk • contribs) at 09:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

YouTube Videos Removed

Youtube vidoes on pages has been a bit of an issue as of late as often they can become the subject of edit wars (since people want their videos higher or don't want to compete) as well as an overall slow to the pagetime load, thus I've removed nearly all videos as most seem unnecessary. If you have a problem, please don't hesitate to contact me directly. In the future we'll be looking for authoritarian and high quality videos to keep the wiki at the highest quality possible that we can. --Z3ther (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Can we get an official rules page like on the Minecraft wiki? This would help clear up any confusion or etiquette. http://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki:Wiki_rules --Doctor Arson (talk) 19:23, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Great Idea! I think having a Rules Page will be highly helpful for confusion or etiquette. I'd highly welcome input on the discussion page there and we can build it together there as a community. What do you think? --Z3ther (talk) 19:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Can I suggest a move (without redirect) from Rules to Wiki Rules? I think it is likely that there will be a Rules page covering game-related rules later. Apart from that, I think this is a fantastic idea! -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

The "ARK: Survival Evolved Wiki:Rules" would be different than any Rules page, since it would be part of the wiki namespace, but ARK Wiki:Wiki rules works as well. --Z3ther (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Videos on leveling and taming pages

Why is there videos in the leveling and taming sections if there shouldn't be any youtube videos? Is it because it's showing a bias if you're leaving those alone. The video is still a video that is meant to inform. All videos, and that includes videos from Curse, should be edited out. Unless you change the rules on what videos can go in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.173.159.139 (talk • contribs) at 16:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Videos ARE allowed as long as they are meaningful placed on the page to follow the layout to look nice without removing or placing higher than other videos. All videos should not advertise any servers or ask for donations - anyone adding content to gamepedia is doing it for free why should video users get money. We also ask that videos are of high standard and quality - script it don't just make it up as you go. I believe we should have videos but not if the poster is doing it to get credit for it (youtube hits, donations, players to server) --SharpShot gif (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Curse are free to do whatever they want (within the confines of the wiki's license) when it comes to videos. Their videos are also a great example of high-quality videos. Also, please sign your comments using -- ~~~~ so we can tell who made the comment without looking at the page history. Thanks. -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 16:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Dino Bytes Videos

Hello, I have sent Z3ther a message on FB, please respond. I want to establish that I am the author of Dino Bytes, one of the people who, until recently was providing video content to the community of Ark albeit not always via this site. IllegalOpcode, I would like a chance to address your last statement, for clarification. If you feel I am being unjust in my opinions please point this out to me. I agree that videos on the wiki should be of a professional nature. You justify removing the content because the other videos not put out by Curse were all unscripted videos, which sole purpose is to garner revenue, YouTube hits, donations and players to their server. In addition they were also removed because of edit wars and spamming. I am a gamer, I have watched many tutorials that were poorly edited, sloppy in execution, and while I do not think my videos are graphically (they have a professional staff that's sole focus is graphics and marketing) on par with Curse, I am still learning, and I have attempted to put out content which is scripted, to the point, and informative. I would like to also take issue with several points that you guys have been operating under. I have never posted a video to this wiki (someone else did), the money I have made from my view counts is a whopping $6.48, of which I won't ever see unless it reaches $100, I have not participated in editing wars, viewers have thanked me because of how well they thought the videos were laid out (go look at the comments yourself, all but two are positive and those two were someone trolling), my information in the videos isn't just coming from the wiki, it is also research I do myself, and I think that, whoever posted my videos did a nice job keeping them at the bottom of the page, which shows that they were not attempting to do anything but add a visual guide to the page for information. I would also like you to actually watch the taming video curse has put out, do you play this game? I honestly don't, think she plays this game, nacroberries? Not only did she say it wrong, it is spelled wrong on the bar, taming a dino by punching it isn't most effective way of taming and nothing has been said about tranq arrows (However, her mic quality is better than mine). I am speaking out about this because I think that my videos did add something valuable to the wiki. This is not only my opinion, but users of this wiki as well. I would be stupid to not try and take advantage of this situation, my view counts have gone up since I have been posted on the wiki and I am more than willing to meet the criteria you would like to see in video tutorials, but more importantly, the videos I have made are helpful, people do watch them, and it is to the deficit to the community for them having been removed. If someone could lay out exactly what authoritarian and high quality videos is and how I have not met this standard, other than my initial mic quality, I would be grateful. -- Thelyzardiam (talk) 01:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello there! I'm sorry you got caught up in this. I have never personally had an issue with your videos, but we have had some pretty bad YouTube spam in the span of a few days and needed to put the foot down. We have starting working on a set of wiki rules to govern stuff like this, you--and anyone else, for that matter--are welcome to join the discussion over on the Wiki Rules talk page. Oh, and next time, leave out the code and nowiki tags when you sign, or it won't work the way it's supposed to. :] -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 02:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply also it was I who made them statements but I feel he answered them well for me. About Youtubers getting paid for hits was not the point I was trying to make but Youtubers adding videos just to get hits. I didn't see your videos personally but by the sounds of it they were of high quality and acceptable they just happened to be removed alone side all videos. If you like to re-add the videos am sure it would be ok along as they are placed on the page nicely. --SharpShot gif (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Mass Vandalism 31.15.61.226 (talk • contribs • logs • block log)

This user has removed information from 3 pages can we block him. It might be a good Idea to make it so that only registered users can only edit on this pedia we are getting a lot of good edits from non-users but also bad ones. Blocking by ip is limited as most people are on a ipv6 so they can come back but if they have to make an account it will slow them down and make it harder. --SharpShot gif (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I blocked him right after I saw his edits and I'm going to go ahead and make you a moderator, as a thank you for your exceptional work. --Z3ther (talk) 03:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Recipes page

Would it not make sense for the Recipes page to contain just a list of available recipes with links? Would anyone have any complaints if I did the same thing to the recipes page as I did to the cooking page? I doubt anyone had a problem with the cooking page edit considering it's "non-uniform appearance", but the Recipes page is quite well formatted and I don't really want to cull someone's hard work without asking first. T1G0FF (talk) 09:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd say knock yourself out. If you want to change some stuff around go for it. Both pages really do need quite a bit of clean up. I think the Cooking page really has potential for a cool page, but the layout and the content somewhat Sucks, like 200 different people put in a sentence,so it's a mess. If you want to tackle it, be my guest. --Z3ther (talk) 15:29, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, if you want to leave comments and ideas on the discussion page for the Recipes page itself that might make things easier to figure out... --Z3ther (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Crafting experience

I hope that all the infoboxes for craftable items can contain information on how much XP it gives to craft. I'd be happy to contribute the content, but i don't know how to edit all the infobox templates and whether i'd do anything wrong --Terrorbillen (talk) 11:18, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I have added an experience parameter to the ResourceInfobox template. I also added the experience per craft to Narcotic. If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. :] -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 12:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Woops, there were more infobox templates. They, too, have been altered. -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 13:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Badly translated and possibly copyrighted text

I (and a few others) have reverted a number of edits from 188.109.61.163 (talk • contribs • logs • block log) that seem to be badly translated text attributed to Ark-Pedia by DGZ DurchGeZockt. Without knowing exactly where the text came from, we cannot be sure that it is compatible with this wiki's license CC BY-NC-SA 3.0, and I therefore advise that we revert any such edits. (I am not a lawyer, but as a software engineer I know a thing or two about licenses.) Oh, and the 'Please post new topics at the bottom of the page by clicking this link to add a new section.' link at the top seems to be broken, it shows a redirect page instead of posting the topic. -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

About the broken 'new section' link

I figured out what is wrong. The link is made using {{fullurle:{{SITENAME}}:Admin noticeboard|action=edit&section=new}}, but because the SITENAME is 'ARK: Survival Evolved Wiki' and not 'ARK Survival Evolved Wiki', it breaks. I am confident that replacing {{SITENAME}} with ARK Survival Evolved Wiki will fix it, like so: {{fullurle:ARK Wiki:Admin noticeboard|action=edit&section=new}}

Oh, and the posts from earlier are on the redirect page, but invisible because anything after a #REDIRECT gets cut off. -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry already beat you to it I fixed it before you posted this lol --SharpShot gif (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

That's actually pretty funny to me, since I made the redirect and was trying to figure out how and why people were editing that page, since it was changed when we renamed the wiki from arksurvivalevolved.gamepedia.com to ark.gamepedia.com I thought I fixed any loops, but people were still editing it and adding their issues on that page. I couldn't understand, and now it totally makes sense. Thanks both of you for fixing it. The reason it still comes up is because the mainpage is ARK: Survival Evolved with the hyphen, and the Admin noticeboard doesn't have a hyphen. Hyphens really mess with wikimedia in all sorts of different ways :/ --Z3ther (talk) 22:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

CCCP tribe blocking

A tribe called CCCP are blocking the caves and mountain sites to stop people getting resources they have blocked frozen fang and the underwater cave at 10.4 / 39.5 the server is The-EU-PVE-officialServer126 i believe on a PVE Server this is very unfair play

Sorry, but this is the Wiki to the Game, not a place to get help from the devs. Please use the Steam forums linked on the right under "Game Support" for it, or email them at [email protected]. On another Note, it actually shouldn't be possible to build in Caves on PVE Servers. So if that's the case, the Devs definitely will want to know about this. ---Amkorra (talk) 18:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Official Server 27

On the wonderful public server of the Officialarkserver27 I am part of a good tribe ranked third place in best tribe on the server. Recently our tribe and every other tribe on the server whom we are allied with most of them have experienced a old tribe that has returned by the name of yy and continued to raid multiple big tribes including us and wrecking small bases for fun. This has become very unfunny on the server and many tribes have had to start over. We have come to a stage in recovering where we are back to normal although a new problem has risen between the server and the yy tribe. This tribe has started hacking. They have on multiple occasions shot through mountains with bows and guns and have become invincible making the gameplay even more frustrating. This tribe has terrorized the same server before, but never in this manner of hacking. It has become likely for many people to leave the server due to this. If we can have this solved, the whole server would be grateful for the admins and other helpers to get rid of the people in the yy tribe to make the gameplay better for the server and to rid hacking between the tribe and people who play legitimately. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.27.59 (talk • contribs) at 03:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately here on the game wiki we don't have any rights to change servers or help you fix issues with other tribes. The best options currently are to visit the Steam forums and write your problem there, or contact the devs: [email protected]. --Z3ther (talk) 09:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

67.160.169.123 needs a break

Special:Contributions/67.160.169.123 IP vandalized multiple pages. Block would be very much appreciated. -- Amkorra (talk) 12:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Ban hammer deployed. 67.160.169.123 (talk • contribs • logs • block log) now in orbit for 1 month. -- IllegalOpcode (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Argentavis glitched through the map and is stuck above the map

I am on Official Server 47 and was riding an Argentavis named Rand' Al Thor and was coasting along the beach near the 70 Long 25 Lat, I then ran into a stone building while it was raining and misty and it glitched me through the map. I saw the entire map, literally from a bird's eye view. We were way above the map and I couldn't move the bird. I was trying everything and finally jumped off of it where I went through the "ceiling" and proceeded to fall into the water after about a full 2 minutes of falling. Is there any way of getting the Argentavis back? I understand losing it to another dino but to lose it in a game glitch is a little ridiculous.

--Shen yiyang - Server 47 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.60.253 (talk • contribs) at 12:57, 30 July 2015

Unfortunately for you, this is the game wiki, and since we are not developers and pretty much have nothing to do with the game servers can't help you. Please use the Steam forums or email the devs at [email protected]. Also, please sign your comments using -- ~~~~, this will add a link to your user page and the current date, making it easier to follow the discussion. Thanks! --Z3ther (talk) 11:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

ARK Survival of the Fittest Comepetition

Hello, admins! Will any of you be watching the Survival of the Fittest competition live this weekend? If so, I have a favor to ask! Please contact me via my userpage or [email protected] if you'll be watching! Best, BriannaMCR (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)